Gohan mops the floor with Cell. If its SSJ2 Gohan after he trains with the Kais then he stomps easily. Cell was very confident in his victory, but so was Gohan prior to the fight. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. Additionally, I believe SPC was incredibly confident (as always) and basking in his new found power. Ah, I never considered that angle before. Any additions or things I missed? SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 100 "The Old Benchmark" SSJ2 Vegeta: 80 Super Perfect Cell: 80 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 66.6 SSJ Majin Vegeta: 55 FP Perfect Cell: 40 SSJ Vegeta: 40 Dabura: 38 SSJ Kid/Teen Gohan: 33.3 Cell Games Gohan was constantly used as a benchmark early Buu Arc by Piccolo and Vegeta. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. Indeed, I agree with this assessment. A beam struggle was really the best way to win as it negates all skill in favor of a contest of brute force, which Gohan would have a slight advantage in. So you've got a few different phases of Gohan worth talking about in this fight. Piccolo later says Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan when he fought Super Perfect Cell. Gohan didn't hold out long at all and Cell was toying with him the whole time. You then transfer this to each fighter being compared and then apply necessary multipliers. DBZ was originally going to end after the CELL saga, SSJ2 Gohan was supposed the be the end of the line and stronger than everyone. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. These are easy enough to find and calculate. However, in regards to who would win in a straight fight, I believe SPC would actually end up winning. Super Perfect Cell wins. Freeza's Death Beam is a good comparison but that in and of itself is a pretty low tier attack used purely for executions and is utter garbage against an opponent in a remotely similar league(see Goku easily deflecting a barrage of them). After gaining a huge boost, returning from the dead and injuring Gohan, Cell's confidence must have been at an all time high. My Initial Conclusion: While there is plenty of evidence (and perhaps even a majority) suggesting Cell was stronger than Gohan at this point, I still believe Gohan was stronger simply because he had the strength to destroy Cell despite both his injury and his trauma. If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. Not much though or he wouldn't have held up as well in the beam struggle. SS2 Gohan, while injured and fresh from Goku's death, had the power to completely destroy Cell while he was taken off guard. Then he lost 18's strength. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. The answer is SSJ2 Gohan given how Super Perfect Cell couldn't even tank a Kamehameha from a weakened SSJ2 Gohan. Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. What we do know is that Gohan has a power level in his head that is his potential full power. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 120 Super Perfect Cell: 100 SSJ2 Pre-Majin Vegeta: 100 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 78 SSJ Goku: 62.5 FP Perfect Cell: 50 SSJ Pre-Majin Vegeta: 50 Dabura: 45 SSJ Kid Gohan: 40 SSJ Teen Gohan: 39 Reason I put Gohan's final rage boost so high is because he managed to Kill SPC after Battle Damage reduced his Power by 50% and with only 1 hand. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for … I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. During the Cell Games, young Son Gohan witnessed the death of a soft-spoken, gentle android known as No. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. What are your thoughts on this fight? Leer cell super perfecto vs gohan ssj2, en Sin categoría. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. I think Cell attained ssj2 when he came back due to his aura. PFM18 , Apr 24, 2019 I couldn't watch the video, but I too will offer my opinion. This is the kind of stuff I analyze all the time and have a huge list. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. But I'll give my 2 cents anyway... IMO Yes. In a word; yes. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. The list is HUGE and there's a lot of terminology, so I will only give a short snippet of what I have, just everything going up to the battle with Golden Frieza. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! I enjoy the challenge though. Cell could easily IT somewhere else quickly and destroy the planet, killing Gohan. I have to say that appreciate someone giving this more thought, but found that it didn't make alot of sense. Or was it somewhere in between? Here is the evidence (from the anime and manga) to consider in this fight: SS2 Gohan was certainly stronger than Perfect Cell, this is unquestioned. I see no reason to doubt them in this regard. The moment Goku helped his son the emotional support was able to fill Gohan with enough power to finish cell off. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. That being said, even a casual blast could do a lot if Gohan was arrogant enough to think he could just tank it or outspeed it. My honest opinion is that Gohan would still dominate SPC. But I'll disagree that he would defeat Cell in the prompt. I believe Gohan was stronger than SPC. Assuming there's no significant increase in Goku's base form until Super, we use this as the base. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This boost is what pushed him to his new level, in this case Super Perfect Cell. The NEW base form for Goku was even with Frieza's new Final Form. "So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character". Was he holding back? Gohan had already used up a decent amount of chi in his fight against Cell. Since he was at half strength was it so much that it put him over his power level at full health? So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Though I think arrogance also played a role. Goku increased by several million PL during that Zenkai. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. His lack of experience, his personality, and the fact that Cell has many ways to survive give him a distinct advantage. Gohan seems to value his life less than his family and friends and as a result I don't feel like he would ever have the opportunity to unlock his rage and get the boost effect. The only time we actually have a legitimate measurement was wayyyy back to when Raditz visited Earth. Gohan believes he's at half power. My big question has always been how much power did that unlock-able boost actually give him? Then for Super Saiyan Blue I will be assuming the lowest possible multiplier, x2. Full Power SS1 Gohan - 10. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. SSj2 Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Kid Gohan (Rage) >> SSj2 Kid Gohan (Normal). If … This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. I know what Piccolo said, he said Majin SSJ2 Vegeta isn't hugely stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan (Vs Cell). This. Using all of that - would a full health Gohan beat SPC in a 1v1 with nobody else around? If Goku knows or suspects a 2x boost is within Gohan's ability it is pretty easy to see why he was so confident in Gohan taking down Cell. The problem with this is that a lot of people don't understand that even though when a strong fighter doesn't take a defensive stance and still walks away from a blast without being phased, they are still bracing themselves for the impact by fluctuating their Ki. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. SSG Goku BoG_____62,972_____188,915,094,340, SSG Goku BoG+_____108,255_____324,764,150,943, SSG Goku BoG S+_____4,545,991_____13,637,971,698,113, SSG Goku BoG x24_____1,104,481_____3,313,443,396,226, SSG Goku BoG x96_____4,364,858_____13,094,575,471,698, SSG Goku BoG SPC_____62,893_____188,679,245,283, SSG Goku BoG SPC+_____108,176_____324,528,301,887, SSG Goku BoG SPC S+_____4,545,912_____13,637,735,849,057, SSG Goku BoG SPC x24_____1,104,403_____3,313,207,547,170, SSG Goku BoG SPC x96_____4,364,780_____13,094,339,622,642, SSB Goku ResF Low_____7,930,869,527_____23,792,608,579,565,700, SSB Goku ResF+ Low_____23,438,167,497_____70,314,502,491,990,000, SSB Goku ResF S+ Low_____41,332,060,453,008_____123,996,181,359,025,000,000, SSB Goku ResF x24 Low_____2,439,757,142,221_____7,319,271,426,664,300,000, SSB Goku ResF x96 Low_____38,103,979,285,333_____114,311,937,855,999,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC Low_____7,911,079,467_____23,733,238,400,379,700, SSB Goku ResF SPC+ Low_____23,404,137,495_____70,212,412,483,683,400, SSB Goku ResF SPC S+ Low_____41,330,630,908,588_____123,991,892,725,762,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x24 Low_____2,439,409,833,472_____7,318,229,500,415,330,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x96 Low_____38,102,606,700,684_____114,307,820,102,053,000,000. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. And thanks to the rage boost I gave Gohan it makes Gohan's power back then much higher than it would have normally been. We know him going all out would not have endangered the planet since we've seen much higher power levels fighting on Earth but that's not really worth discussion here. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. It was only because of SPC's arrogance that he put himself into a position where he could be entirely destroyed. I personally favor Gohan as having more power than Cell given all of Goku's statements seeming to favor that as well as Gohan lamenting that he wanted to tear Cell to pieces. Yes, people still debate that. Previously we saw a 2x power multiplier when Gohan raged and unlocked his temporary boost. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. When Gohan jumped in front of the blast he wasn't defending or bracing himself. SSJ2 Gohan destroyed “normal” Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. SSJ2 Gohan DID defeat Super Perfect Cell with his full power. To put things into perspective, I'll only give a short list for Goku's power levels and a snapshot of how I got them. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . This is certainly possible. Putting into sheer power alone, Gohan would have to be significantly stronger in order to make it an easy fight, but given how close the battle was when he was injured, the gap is certainly far closer than we think. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. The Z-fighters have always been incredibly accurate about their gauges of energy levels. That's very well thought out. The terms are: BoG(Battle of Gods), ResF(Resurrection F), GE (God Essence), SPC (Super Perfect Cell). In any case, hopefully you'll enjoy it. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. However, I don't think he had enough power that he would have been able to beat Cell given Cell's skills and regeneration making him a monster when power levels are close. He must win in a direct battle. Considering all of this, the true and honest match-up shall begin! So, to put it basically; Gohan, despite being demoralized from the deaths of Goku and Trunks, losing the use of his arm AND having very little chi left, still managed to defeat Cell. Cookies help us deliver our Services. He is not stronger than Broly in this form. I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. If he was only a little more powerful, it would have likely just injured cell, not obliterated him. Imagine how the fight would have went if he was at full strength. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. If you have any questions, let me know. Also, I did watch the video and it seemed like one of the points being argued was that the attack that Gohan jumped in front of for Vegeta was strong enough to immobilize Gohan, therefore Cell is "proven" to be stronger. This is certainly possible. I just don't think he would have the fortitude to do that and with nothing else pushing him he never would. He messed up with 2 points though. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Gohan has a smile on his face and is like "Fuck ya motherfucker we didnt get to finish our fight, i didnt get to finish laying the smackdown on you, but your back so now I can resume kicking your ass." He boasts his perfection even after noticing that others rival him. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. I always believed Dabura's power was somewhat close to Super Perfect Cell, but not as strong. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. He had control of the struggle, but also had to amp himself several times to match Gohan. In truth, while Gohan did indeed defeat Cell in the story, there were many factors at play. I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). I agree with this as he overpowered all the Z fighters except for Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. Him defending Vegeta as well as he did probably used a bit of chi, and the fact that he lost the use of his arm would also have made chi control a little harder. So we know Gohan at full health was holding back to protect the planet. Gohan was emotionally wrecked after Goku's sacrifice, as he believed he was responsible. The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. While Gohan may have the power in edge, his personality and lack of experience are a serious disadvantage that would tip the battle against him. Though it was channeled attack, I think this is proof enough that even small attacks can be very powerful. I DO NOT OWN DRAGONBALL. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. If you'd like to see more, I actually have a video detailing the entire process for determining how strong Super Saiyan God is, it's probably easier then me just typing it all out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. Now we'll look at Gohan at half health. The main question to answer this one is… how strong is Dragonball Super's Piccolo? The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. So, Equal to Low End: x24 (x9,600) Using Dragonball GT Guide High End: x96 (x38,400), Regardless of which ones you use, you create a range for the potential of Gotenks. We can assume that his 100% full health would be enough, but only by a little bit but Gohan still isn't mentally prepared to straight up kill someone yet. SSJ2 Gohan is about 2–3 times stronger than SSJ Goku at the time. Personally, I believe that an SS2 Goku would beat Perfect Cell after a good fight, but he would lose to Super Perfect Cell. Was Gohan truly at a lower level of power thanks to this injury? While Gohan most likely has the edge in power, this alone does not guarantee his victory. - Sep 19, 12 IMO Yes. However in the latest Dragon Ball Super episode (hopefully there are no spoilers if you watch it) Frieza used it as his attack of choice when facing off in a beam struggle versus Aniliza (the Universe 3 Fusion). Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. This gives us an assumption of 'boosted' half-health Gohan as a bit less than full health Gohan or as much as full health Gohan at best. If he had time to raise his Ki then I argue that he wouldn't have been hurt. Edit: On another note, I'd love to see your notes on PLs throughout the series up until this point. An easier explanation is that Gohan's power increased because he felt the presence of his father. Not to mention that Gohan was perfectly happy to fight Cell one handed until Cell made a Kamehameha; he only was low on chi and wanted to avoid anything involving it. We saw him holding ground at what looked like full exertion against SPC who was genuinely putting in full effort. Then he blew himself up and returned, gaining a zenkai boost. I submit that Gohan simply had more power available to him, though they were almost completely even. Kid SSJ2 Gohan was in another league compared to his older SSJ2 self. Cell's skills and regeneration made him a terrifying opponent to put down. In the manga, after Goku goes SSJ2 before fighting Majin Vegeta, Majin Vegeta says that Goku is stronger than Gohan. So, determine all the possible answers for Gotenks power and you have your answer. Who would win in this fight? The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. And yes, I love the connection to the auras. But either way, yes, Gohan was certainly underestimating that blast and paid the price for it. A necessary plot device to make the fight interesting as otherwise it would be a one-sided affair. It's highly suggested that Gohan might have lost had Vegeta not distracted Cell. Lastly we have seen cell go all out in earlier fights and his composure when he goes all out is not the same as his rematch with Gohan. And if this theoretical battle happens on Earth he's going to try and keep his power level lower to not endanger the planet. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. So in a fight it might tip in his favor given all the possibilities of victory. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. Find out how strong Piccolo, Goten and Trunks, and Super Buu are together and you have your answer. Gohan raged with Goku's help and boosted to defeat SPC - I feel like it is reasonable to assume a 2x power boost from his current power level which was probably lower than half as he was injured as well as fatigued since when he claimed to be at about half his total power. 2 - He is consciously holding back and worried about the planet and those around him. + refers to Goten plus Trunks. ©BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. And with a … Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! My reasoning would probably be because of their auras. I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. He EFFORTLESSLY beat perfect cell, and while it might have been closer, I still think Gohan takes it pretty damn handily, which, IMO, is why Toriyama had to use that plot device to get rid of one of Gohans arms, another stomp would have been boring as fuck. No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. Again just my interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a ki perspective, is just a little bit below Super Perfect Cell. If I am not mistaken, Gohan blew Cell to death after having lost a good deal of energy AND one arm effectively immobilized. Been a while since I've watched/read that arc but reading through a lot of the replies - I have to agree that SSJ2 Gohan was more powerful than Super Perfect Cell. He stated he was at half power after this. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. As Tagoma was compared to Ultimate Gohan, we then must determine his strength via Buuiccolo, the strongest fighter Gohan was definitely stronger than. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. He did eventually, after a little encouragement from Goku, muster up the chi to create his own Kamehameha. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Then when Raditz was about to finish off Goku and Piccolo was injured, similar scenario as to the last moments of SPC, Radditz read off rage-Gohan's power level as 1370 and climbing. Perfect Cell: 900,000,000 (stated in a Daizenshuu that his power is over 900,000,000. Half power Gohan was absolutely nothing to a Cell who wasn't even serious. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 16 at the hands of the bio-engineered monstrosity, Cell. So I also think that a full powered SSJ 2 Gohan could still beat Super Perfect Cell with ease. Vegeta’s blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. Agreed. This was obviously the last of his chi, as he went back to his base form and collapsed immediately after he killed Cell. Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. re: SSJ2 Majin Vegeta VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + Super Perfect Cell The gap between majin vegeta and teen gohan is not that big. Gohan goes SSJ2 again with no effort and displays no fear or lack of confidence in his ability to destroy Cell. 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